This conversation was recorded long before the current pandemic. I held off publishing it because I didn’t want to introduce anything even remotely controversial. I sincerely hope this will not be controversial. If you disagree with my conclusions, you are welcome to your views and I wish you grace and peace. However, in our current situation, we need hope. We need biblical hope. We need hope for a new world, a world without disease and death.

In today’s Bible study, we explore the biblical phrase, “New heavens and new earth.” It may surprise you to learn that the Bible never says Christians are waiting to go to heaven, but it does say we are “waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells” (2 Peter 3:13). This is the first part of a two-part series, so make sure you subscribe to the podcast, so you don’t miss the second part of the “new heavens new earth” series. Also, if you missed it, you might want to go back and listen to last year’s conversation with Joshua Pappas on this topic.

If you have a passage or topic you would like us to study, please send Wes an email or call and leave a short message at 707-238-2216. We may play your message on an upcoming episode of the Bible Study Podcast.

Click here for the full transcript of this episode. Special thanks to Beth Tabor for transcribing the audio for us.

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